Comments on: Will health care reform cause lower wages? http://keithhennessey.com/2009/08/07/lower-wages/ Your guide to American economic policy Wed, 17 Mar 2010 19:57:44 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: Numbers matter  |  KeithHennessey.com http://keithhennessey.com/2009/08/07/lower-wages/comment-page-2/#comment-12529 Numbers matter  |  KeithHennessey.com Thu, 08 Oct 2009 11:01:46 +0000 http://keithhennessey.com/2009/08/17/will-health-care-reform-cause-lower-wages/#comment-12529 [...] private study suggests that this kind of health law could result in real decreases in wages over time, especially for [...]<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('12529','Numbers matter  |  KeithHennessey.com'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('12529','Numbers matter  |  KeithHennessey.com','[...] private study suggests that this kind of health law could result in real decreases in wages over time, especially for [...]'); return false;">Quote</a></div> [...] private study suggests that this kind of health law could result in real decreases in wages over time, especially for [...]
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]]> By: How does Obama lie about health care? Let me count the ways! | The Lonely Conservative http://keithhennessey.com/2009/08/07/lower-wages/comment-page-2/#comment-5976 How does Obama lie about health care? Let me count the ways! | The Lonely Conservative Wed, 12 Aug 2009 19:42:57 +0000 http://keithhennessey.com/2009/08/17/will-health-care-reform-cause-lower-wages/#comment-5976 [...] or (b) they offer it but have employees who decline it and instead use the government system. Multiple studies have shown that such provisions cause both lower wages and lost jobs for low-income [...]<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('5976','How does Obama lie about health care? Let me count the ways! | The Lonely Conservative'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('5976','How does Obama lie about health care? Let me count the ways! | The Lonely Conservative','[...] or (b) they offer it but have employees who decline it and instead use the government system. Multiple studies have shown that such provisions cause both lower wages and lost jobs for low-income [...]'); return false;">Quote</a></div> [...] or (b) they offer it but have employees who decline it and instead use the government system. Multiple studies have shown that such provisions cause both lower wages and lost jobs for low-income [...]
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]]> By: Fact-checking the ( )bama health care pep rally, part III : http://keithhennessey.com/2009/08/07/lower-wages/comment-page-2/#comment-5954 Fact-checking the ( )bama health care pep rally, part III : Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:40:21 +0000 http://keithhennessey.com/2009/08/17/will-health-care-reform-cause-lower-wages/#comment-5954 [...] or (b) they offer it but have employees who decline it and instead use the government system. Multiple studies have shown that such provisions cause both lower wages and lost jobs for low-income [...]<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('5954','Fact-checking the ( )bama health care pep rally, part III :'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('5954','Fact-checking the ( )bama health care pep rally, part III :','[...] or (b) they offer it but have employees who decline it and instead use the government system. Multiple studies have shown that such provisions cause both lower wages and lost jobs for low-income [...]'); return false;">Quote</a></div> [...] or (b) they offer it but have employees who decline it and instead use the government system. Multiple studies have shown that such provisions cause both lower wages and lost jobs for low-income [...]
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]]> By: Morning Bell: Obamacare Pep Rally Fact Check | Conservative Principles Now http://keithhennessey.com/2009/08/07/lower-wages/comment-page-2/#comment-5951 Morning Bell: Obamacare Pep Rally Fact Check | Conservative Principles Now Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:29:33 +0000 http://keithhennessey.com/2009/08/17/will-health-care-reform-cause-lower-wages/#comment-5951 [...] or (b) they offer it but have employees who decline it and instead use the government system. Multiple studies have shown that such provisions cause both lower wages and lost jobs for low-income [...]<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('5951','Morning Bell: Obamacare Pep Rally Fact Check | Conservative Principles Now'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('5951','Morning Bell: Obamacare Pep Rally Fact Check | Conservative Principles Now','[...] or (b) they offer it but have employees who decline it and instead use the government system. Multiple studies have shown that such provisions cause both lower wages and lost jobs for low-income [...]'); return false;">Quote</a></div> [...] or (b) they offer it but have employees who decline it and instead use the government system. Multiple studies have shown that such provisions cause both lower wages and lost jobs for low-income [...]
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]]> By: Big Time Conservative » What do you think? http://keithhennessey.com/2009/08/07/lower-wages/comment-page-2/#comment-5945 Big Time Conservative » What do you think? Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:11:17 +0000 http://keithhennessey.com/2009/08/17/will-health-care-reform-cause-lower-wages/#comment-5945 [...] or (b) they offer it but have employees who decline it and instead use the government system. Multiple [13] studies [14] have shown that such provisions cause both lower wages and lost jobs for [...]<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('5945','Big Time Conservative » What do you think?'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('5945','Big Time Conservative » What do you think?','[...] or (b) they offer it but have employees who decline it and instead use the government system. Multiple [13] studies [14] have shown that such provisions cause both lower wages and lost jobs for [...]'); return false;">Quote</a></div> [...] or (b) they offer it but have employees who decline it and instead use the government system. Multiple [13] studies [14] have shown that such provisions cause both lower wages and lost jobs for [...]
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]]> By: William http://keithhennessey.com/2009/08/07/lower-wages/comment-page-2/#comment-5803 William Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:54:14 +0000 http://keithhennessey.com/2009/08/17/will-health-care-reform-cause-lower-wages/#comment-5803 Anyone want to see how fiscally unsound our fiscal policy is even before adding new entitlements? Read the CBO Director's Blog at <a href="http://cboblog.cbo.gov/?p=328" target="_blank">http://cboblog.cbo.gov/?p=328</a> . It will make you gasp. <div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('5803','William'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('5803','William','Anyone want to see how fiscally unsound our fiscal policy is even before adding new entitlements? Read the CBO Director's Blog at <a href=\"http:\/\/cboblog.cbo.gov\/?p=328\" target=\"_blank\">http:\/\/cboblog.cbo.gov\/?p=328<\/a> . It will make you gasp. '); return false;">Quote</a></div> Anyone want to see how fiscally unsound our fiscal policy is even before adding new entitlements? Read the CBO Director's Blog at http://cboblog.cbo.gov/?p=328 . It will make you gasp.
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]]> By: Dee http://keithhennessey.com/2009/08/07/lower-wages/comment-page-1/#comment-5777 Dee Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:36:46 +0000 http://keithhennessey.com/2009/08/17/will-health-care-reform-cause-lower-wages/#comment-5777 Chris- You do know that Medicare does not cover all costs for medical care. To obtain coverage that begins to approach the level of covefrage under workers plans the receipent must enroll in supplemental insurance. What is covered and what is charged are all determined by Medicare. Then there the additional medicine policy. Already Medicare recipents have their services monitored and rationed. This plan just accelerates the process and eliminates things that help living more comfortably. As far as productivity, babysitting, volunteering and being consumers, seems productive to me. <div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('5777','Dee'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('5777','Dee','Chris- \n \nYou do know that Medicare does not cover all costs for medical care. To obtain coverage that begins to approach the level of covefrage under workers plans the receipent must enroll in supplemental insurance. What is covered and what is charged are all determined by Medicare. Then there the additional medicine policy. Already Medicare recipents have their services monitored and rationed. This plan just accelerates the process and eliminates things that help living more comfortably. \n \nAs far as productivity, babysitting, volunteering and being consumers, seems productive to me. '); return false;">Quote</a></div> Chris-

You do know that Medicare does not cover all costs for medical care. To obtain coverage that begins to approach the level of covefrage under workers plans the receipent must enroll in supplemental insurance. What is covered and what is charged are all determined by Medicare. Then there the additional medicine policy. Already Medicare recipents have their services monitored and rationed. This plan just accelerates the process and eliminates things that help living more comfortably.

As far as productivity, babysitting, volunteering and being consumers, seems productive to me.

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]]> By: William http://keithhennessey.com/2009/08/07/lower-wages/comment-page-2/#comment-5657 William Mon, 10 Aug 2009 21:47:17 +0000 http://keithhennessey.com/2009/08/17/will-health-care-reform-cause-lower-wages/#comment-5657 It is true, seniors did contribute to the system and were led to believe that it would provide for them. Unfortunately, that system was not economically sound and they did not contribute enough to cover the costs. The same is true of social security, but Medicare is the bigger economic problem (and we are at riak of making it bigger!). If either of these systems had been private insurance companies, regulators would have closed them down long ago a being fiscally unsound. A less kind word for it is a ponzi scheme. Sad but true. I am part of the baby boom and I can see the charade that has been perpetrated. My concern is for my children who are going to have to foot the bill for my selfish fellow baby boomers who made the mistake of letting these programs get established, and did nothing in response to warnings over the years that they were unsound. It would be different if we had actually contributed enough to fund them, but we didn't. Shame on us. <div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('5657','William'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('5657','William','It is true, seniors did contribute to the system and were led to believe that it would provide for them. Unfortunately, that system was not economically sound and they did not contribute enough to cover the costs. The same is true of social security, but Medicare is the bigger economic problem (and we are at riak of making it bigger!). If either of these systems had been private insurance companies, regulators would have closed them down long ago a being fiscally unsound. A less kind word for it is a ponzi scheme. Sad but true. \n \nI am part of the baby boom and I can see the charade that has been perpetrated. My concern is for my children who are going to have to foot the bill for my selfish fellow baby boomers who made the mistake of letting these programs get established, and did nothing in response to warnings over the years that they were unsound. It would be different if we had actually contributed enough to fund them, but we didn't. Shame on us. '); return false;">Quote</a></div> It is true, seniors did contribute to the system and were led to believe that it would provide for them. Unfortunately, that system was not economically sound and they did not contribute enough to cover the costs. The same is true of social security, but Medicare is the bigger economic problem (and we are at riak of making it bigger!). If either of these systems had been private insurance companies, regulators would have closed them down long ago a being fiscally unsound. A less kind word for it is a ponzi scheme. Sad but true.

I am part of the baby boom and I can see the charade that has been perpetrated. My concern is for my children who are going to have to foot the bill for my selfish fellow baby boomers who made the mistake of letting these programs get established, and did nothing in response to warnings over the years that they were unsound. It would be different if we had actually contributed enough to fund them, but we didn't. Shame on us.

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]]> By: Proposed reform could put negative pressures on wage growth « Piedmont Conservative http://keithhennessey.com/2009/08/07/lower-wages/comment-page-2/#comment-5647 Proposed reform could put negative pressures on wage growth « Piedmont Conservative Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:36:14 +0000 http://keithhennessey.com/2009/08/17/will-health-care-reform-cause-lower-wages/#comment-5647 [...] reform could put negative pressures on wage growth An examination of a recent report put out by the chairman of the Social Security Advisory Board [...]<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('5647','Proposed reform could put negative pressures on wage growth « Piedmont Conservative'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('5647','Proposed reform could put negative pressures on wage growth « Piedmont Conservative','[...] reform could put negative pressures on wage growth An examination of a recent report put out by the chairman of the Social Security Advisory Board [...]'); return false;">Quote</a></div> [...] reform could put negative pressures on wage growth An examination of a recent report put out by the chairman of the Social Security Advisory Board [...]
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]]> By: Michelle http://keithhennessey.com/2009/08/07/lower-wages/comment-page-2/#comment-5619 Michelle Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:54:59 +0000 http://keithhennessey.com/2009/08/17/will-health-care-reform-cause-lower-wages/#comment-5619 Our seniors will take more from the system, it is a fact. But for anyone to say they don't deserve it is ridiculous. They worked all their lives to be able to retire. They made their contributions into a system that was intended to be there for them at retirement. To now state they are draining the system and shouldn't receive medical care because they are no longer productive is ludicrous. That is no different than stating that someone who has a disability and isn't as productive should also be denied medical services! Perhaps as these seniors worked instead of putting money into a medical system that wasn't going to support them in the end should have been able to money into a system specifically for THEM - no one else! But they didn't have a choice and now you are going to suggest turning your backs on them. I am not yet a senior but approaching that age. While I was growing up, especially as I started working, those of us in the Baby Boomer generation were all concerned way back then about the number of people that would be retiring when we got there and the lack of funds in a government system to help support us. No one has the right to play GOD and decide whose life is more important than someone else's. Many of these seniors also have a secondary insurance and they are paying for those premiums as well as medicare premiums. Further, to assume seniors aren't productive - my parents are retired and in their 70's AND ARE STILL WORKING! <div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('5619','Michelle'); return false;">Reply</a> - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('5619','Michelle','Our seniors will take more from the system, it is a fact. But for anyone to say they don't deserve it is ridiculous. They worked all their lives to be able to retire. They made their contributions into a system that was intended to be there for them at retirement. To now state they are draining the system and shouldn't receive medical care because they are no longer productive is ludicrous. That is no different than stating that someone who has a disability and isn't as productive should also be denied medical services! Perhaps as these seniors worked instead of putting money into a medical system that wasn't going to support them in the end should have been able to money into a system specifically for THEM - no one else! But they didn't have a choice and now you are going to suggest turning your backs on them. I am not yet a senior but approaching that age. While I was growing up, especially as I started working, those of us in the Baby Boomer generation were all concerned way back then about the number of people that would be retiring when we got there and the lack of funds in a government system to help support us. No one has the right to play GOD and decide whose life is more important than someone else's. Many of these seniors also have a secondary insurance and they are paying for those premiums as well as medicare premiums. Further, to assume seniors aren't productive - my parents are retired and in their 70's AND ARE STILL WORKING! '); return false;">Quote</a></div> Our seniors will take more from the system, it is a fact. But for anyone to say they don't deserve it is ridiculous. They worked all their lives to be able to retire. They made their contributions into a system that was intended to be there for them at retirement. To now state they are draining the system and shouldn't receive medical care because they are no longer productive is ludicrous. That is no different than stating that someone who has a disability and isn't as productive should also be denied medical services! Perhaps as these seniors worked instead of putting money into a medical system that wasn't going to support them in the end should have been able to money into a system specifically for THEM – no one else! But they didn't have a choice and now you are going to suggest turning your backs on them. I am not yet a senior but approaching that age. While I was growing up, especially as I started working, those of us in the Baby Boomer generation were all concerned way back then about the number of people that would be retiring when we got there and the lack of funds in a government system to help support us. No one has the right to play GOD and decide whose life is more important than someone else's. Many of these seniors also have a secondary insurance and they are paying for those premiums as well as medicare premiums. Further, to assume seniors aren't productive – my parents are retired and in their 70's AND ARE STILL WORKING!
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