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		<title>By: BThevenot</title>
		<link>http://keithhennessey.com/2009/07/30/health-plan-v2/comment-page-1/#comment-6438</link>
		<dc:creator>BThevenot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 02:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that there are substantial advantages to a schedule of tax credits rather than deductions.  The value of the tax subsidy for health insurance or health expenses should not vary regressively according to one&#039;s tax bracket, which would be the case with a deduction as it now is with the employment-based exclusion.  Individual and family credits capped at something like the regional cost of a basic policy would do the trick and create equity of treatment.  I do also think it necessary to make provision for refundable credits for those with little or no income tax liability. &lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;6438&#039;,&#039;BThevenot&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;6438&#039;,&#039;BThevenot&#039;,&#039;I believe that there are substantial advantages to a schedule of tax credits rather than deductions.  The value of the tax subsidy for health insurance or health expenses should not vary regressively according to one&#039;s tax bracket, which would be the case with a deduction as it now is with the employment-based exclusion.  Individual and family credits capped at something like the regional cost of a basic policy would do the trick and create equity of treatment.  I do also think it necessary to make provision for refundable credits for those with little or no income tax liability. &#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that there are substantial advantages to a schedule of tax credits rather than deductions.  The value of the tax subsidy for health insurance or health expenses should not vary regressively according to one&#039;s tax bracket, which would be the case with a deduction as it now is with the employment-based exclusion.  Individual and family credits capped at something like the regional cost of a basic policy would do the trick and create equity of treatment.  I do also think it necessary to make provision for refundable credits for those with little or no income tax liability.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('6438','BThevenot'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('6438','BThevenot','I believe that there are substantial advantages to a schedule of tax credits rather than deductions.  The value of the tax subsidy for health insurance or health expenses should not vary regressively according to one&amp;#039;s tax bracket, which would be the case with a deduction as it now is with the employment-based exclusion.  Individual and family credits capped at something like the regional cost of a basic policy would do the trick and create equity of treatment.  I do also think it necessary to make provision for refundable credits for those with little or no income tax liability. '); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 05:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the key is HSA&#039;s and maybe HCI. I have some thoughts developing and will post as soon as I think it through.


&lt;a href=&#039;#comment-4717&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Billy Oblivion&lt;/a&gt; - Actually HIPAA does specify standards in electronic forms, i.e. 270/271. The funny thing is that the government, i.e. Centers for Medicare and Medicaid (CMS), doesn&#039;t follow these rules 100%. Private insurers are more standardized. (at least the ones I&#039;ve seen).&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;6245&#039;,&#039;Chris&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;6245&#039;,&#039;Chris&#039;,&#039;I think the key is HSA\&#039;s and maybe HCI. I have some thoughts developing and will post as soon as I think it through.\r\n\r\n\r\n&lt;a href=\&#039;#comment-4717\&#039; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;@Billy Oblivion&lt;\/a&gt; - Actually HIPAA does specify standards in electronic forms, i.e. 270\/271. The funny thing is that the government, i.e. Centers for Medicare and Medicaid (CMS), doesn\&#039;t follow these rules 100%. Private insurers are more standardized. (at least the ones I\&#039;ve seen).&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the key is HSA&#8217;s and maybe HCI. I have some thoughts developing and will post as soon as I think it through.</p>
<p><a href='#comment-4717' rel="nofollow">@Billy Oblivion</a> &#8211; Actually HIPAA does specify standards in electronic forms, i.e. 270/271. The funny thing is that the government, i.e. Centers for Medicare and Medicaid (CMS), doesn&#8217;t follow these rules 100%. Private insurers are more standardized. (at least the ones I&#8217;ve seen).
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('6245','Chris'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('6245','Chris','I think the key is HSA\'s and maybe HCI. I have some thoughts developing and will post as soon as I think it through.\r\n\r\n\r\n&lt;a href=\'#comment-4717\' rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;@Billy Oblivion&lt;\/a&gt; - Actually HIPAA does specify standards in electronic forms, i.e. 270\/271. The funny thing is that the government, i.e. Centers for Medicare and Medicaid (CMS), doesn\'t follow these rules 100%. Private insurers are more standardized. (at least the ones I\'ve seen).'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Debating the President&#8217;s Portsmouth pitch (part 1)&#160;&#160;&#124;&#160;&#160;KeithHennessey.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debating the President&#8217;s Portsmouth pitch (part 1)&#160;&#160;&#124;&#160;&#160;KeithHennessey.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 20:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] from a system that is so heavily biased toward higher subsidies for employment-based coverage.Â  My preferred plan would have a similar effect.Â  Nonetheless, the President is overpromising, at least relative to [...]&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;5979&#039;,&#039;Debating the President&rsquo;s Portsmouth pitch (part 1)&nbsp;&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;&nbsp;KeithHennessey.com&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;5979&#039;,&#039;Debating the President&rsquo;s Portsmouth pitch (part 1)&nbsp;&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;&nbsp;KeithHennessey.com&#039;,&#039;&#091;...&#093; from a system that is so heavily biased toward higher subsidies for employment-based coverage.&#194;&#160; My preferred plan would have a similar effect.&#194;&#160; Nonetheless, the President is overpromising, at least relative to &#091;...&#093;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] from a system that is so heavily biased toward higher subsidies for employment-based coverage.Â  My preferred plan would have a similar effect.Â  Nonetheless, the President is overpromising, at least relative to [...]
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('5979','Debating the President&amp;rsquo;s Portsmouth pitch (part 1)&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;|&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;KeithHennessey.com'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('5979','Debating the President&amp;rsquo;s Portsmouth pitch (part 1)&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;|&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;KeithHennessey.com','&amp;#91;...&amp;#93; from a system that is so heavily biased toward higher subsidies for employment-based coverage.&Acirc;&nbsp; My preferred plan would have a similar effect.&Acirc;&nbsp; Nonetheless, the President is overpromising, at least relative to &amp;#91;...&amp;#93;'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Ed Bradford</title>
		<link>http://keithhennessey.com/2009/07/30/health-plan-v2/comment-page-1/#comment-4923</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Bradford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 06:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keith,

I commented on each of your 6 principles. I like them all and
despite the wording of my comments, think all of your points are
excellent and relevant.

1. Repeal the current law tax exclusion for employer provided health
   insurance, and replace it with a $7,500 (single) / $15K (family) flat
   deduction for buying health insurance. 

    What would be just as good would be to require 15% of the salary
    to be deposited in an HSA and have companies completely exit the
    picture. This is one area where government coercion to save would
    be better than government simply taking my money like
    the do with Social Security. I would reluctantly support a &quot;You must
    put 15% of your salary in an HSA.&quot; That would be 15% of all salaries
    of any income level. Government would supply the safety net for
    the poor in the form of negative HSA accounts and HCI premium payments.

2. Allow the purchase of health insurance sold anywhere in the U.S. 

    I state elsewhere, that insurance for anything but the unexpected
    is really health redistribution. I would prefer to say that Health
    Catastrophic Insurance could be sold anywhere in the US. This
    requires overriding state laws which may or may not be
    constitutional.

3. Make health insurance portable 
    Once we have an HSA and HCI and national coverage, it is owned by an individual,
    it becomes portable. Also, with an HSA, HCI premiums can be
    paid out of HSA while unemployed. [The government safety net
    that allows an HSA to have a negative balance.]

4. Expand Health Savings Accounts 
    This is it. HSA&#039;s are sustainable. Current insurance schemes
    whether private or public are not. Higher contribution limits for
    HSA might not be needed. Higher voluntary limits for HCI would be a good
    thing.
  
5. Aggressively reform medical liability 
    AMEN

6. Aggressively slow Medicare and Medicaid spending growth, and use the
    savings for long-term deficit reduction 

    Cost should be the focus of any plan. Insurance is a middleman
    and takes the bill payer out of the picture. Combine that with the
    &quot;value of service&quot; business model of Medical corporations and we get
    very expensive and uneven medical billing.

    To accomplish #6, change &quot;value of service&quot; business model to
    &quot;cost of service&quot; somehow. [Have to think about that. It is like
    changing &quot;income tax&quot; to a &quot;flat tax&quot;. You go from the very complex
    to the very simple. Laffer in &quot;End of Prosperity&quot; describes how a
    flat tax could work. We might be able to achieve the same results,
    but lots of careful thought needs to be invested
    before a coherent defensible plan can emerge.]

SUMMARY:
   Agressive Medical Tort Reform.
  HSA&#039;s for planned medical care.
  HCI for unexpected medical expenses sold anywhere in US.
  Contributions to both are not taxed.
  Government cannot get hands on HSA funds.
  Insurance is a cause of high cost, not a cure.
  Convert medical business model from &quot;value of service&quot; to &quot;cost of service&quot;.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;4923&#039;,&#039;Ed Bradford&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;4923&#039;,&#039;Ed Bradford&#039;,&#039;Keith,\r\n\r\nI commented on each of your 6 principles. I like them all and\r\ndespite the wording of my comments, think all of your points are\r\nexcellent and relevant.\r\n\r\n1. Repeal the current law tax exclusion for employer provided health\r\n   insurance, and replace it with a $7,500 (single) \/ $15K (family) flat\r\n   deduction for buying health insurance. \r\n\r\n    What would be just as good would be to require 15% of the salary\r\n    to be deposited in an HSA and have companies completely exit the\r\n    picture. This is one area where government coercion to save would\r\n    be better than government simply taking my money like\r\n    the do with Social Security. I would reluctantly support a \&quot;You must\r\n    put 15% of your salary in an HSA.\&quot; That would be 15% of all salaries\r\n    of any income level. Government would supply the safety net for\r\n    the poor in the form of negative HSA accounts and HCI premium payments.\r\n\r\n2. Allow the purchase of health insurance sold anywhere in the U.S. \r\n\r\n    I state elsewhere, that insurance for anything but the unexpected\r\n    is really health redistribution. I would prefer to say that Health\r\n    Catastrophic Insurance could be sold anywhere in the US. This\r\n    requires overriding state laws which may or may not be\r\n    constitutional.\r\n\r\n3. Make health insurance portable \r\n    Once we have an HSA and HCI and national coverage, it is owned by an individual,\r\n    it becomes portable. Also, with an HSA, HCI premiums can be\r\n    paid out of HSA while unemployed. &#091;The government safety net\r\n    that allows an HSA to have a negative balance.&#093;\r\n\r\n4. Expand Health Savings Accounts \r\n    This is it. HSA\&#039;s are sustainable. Current insurance schemes\r\n    whether private or public are not. Higher contribution limits for\r\n    HSA might not be needed. Higher voluntary limits for HCI would be a good\r\n    thing.\r\n  \r\n5. Aggressively reform medical liability \r\n    AMEN\r\n\r\n6. Aggressively slow Medicare and Medicaid spending growth, and use the\r\n    savings for long-term deficit reduction \r\n\r\n    Cost should be the focus of any plan. Insurance is a middleman\r\n    and takes the bill payer out of the picture. Combine that with the\r\n    \&quot;value of service\&quot; business model of Medical corporations and we get\r\n    very expensive and uneven medical billing.\r\n\r\n    To accomplish #6, change \&quot;value of service\&quot; business model to\r\n    \&quot;cost of service\&quot; somehow. &#091;Have to think about that. It is like\r\n    changing \&quot;income tax\&quot; to a \&quot;flat tax\&quot;. You go from the very complex\r\n    to the very simple. Laffer in \&quot;End of Prosperity\&quot; describes how a\r\n    flat tax could work. We might be able to achieve the same results,\r\n    but lots of careful thought needs to be invested\r\n    before a coherent defensible plan can emerge.&#093;\r\n\r\nSUMMARY:\r\n   Agressive Medical Tort Reform.\r\n  HSA\&#039;s for planned medical care.\r\n  HCI for unexpected medical expenses sold anywhere in US.\r\n  Contributions to both are not taxed.\r\n  Government cannot get hands on HSA funds.\r\n  Insurance is a cause of high cost, not a cure.\r\n  Convert medical business model from \&quot;value of service\&quot; to \&quot;cost of service\&quot;.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keith,</p>
<p>I commented on each of your 6 principles. I like them all and<br />
despite the wording of my comments, think all of your points are<br />
excellent and relevant.</p>
<p>1. Repeal the current law tax exclusion for employer provided health<br />
   insurance, and replace it with a $7,500 (single) / $15K (family) flat<br />
   deduction for buying health insurance. </p>
<p>    What would be just as good would be to require 15% of the salary<br />
    to be deposited in an HSA and have companies completely exit the<br />
    picture. This is one area where government coercion to save would<br />
    be better than government simply taking my money like<br />
    the do with Social Security. I would reluctantly support a &#8220;You must<br />
    put 15% of your salary in an HSA.&#8221; That would be 15% of all salaries<br />
    of any income level. Government would supply the safety net for<br />
    the poor in the form of negative HSA accounts and HCI premium payments.</p>
<p>2. Allow the purchase of health insurance sold anywhere in the U.S. </p>
<p>    I state elsewhere, that insurance for anything but the unexpected<br />
    is really health redistribution. I would prefer to say that Health<br />
    Catastrophic Insurance could be sold anywhere in the US. This<br />
    requires overriding state laws which may or may not be<br />
    constitutional.</p>
<p>3. Make health insurance portable<br />
    Once we have an HSA and HCI and national coverage, it is owned by an individual,<br />
    it becomes portable. Also, with an HSA, HCI premiums can be<br />
    paid out of HSA while unemployed. [The government safety net<br />
    that allows an HSA to have a negative balance.]</p>
<p>4. Expand Health Savings Accounts<br />
    This is it. HSA&#8217;s are sustainable. Current insurance schemes<br />
    whether private or public are not. Higher contribution limits for<br />
    HSA might not be needed. Higher voluntary limits for HCI would be a good<br />
    thing.</p>
<p>5. Aggressively reform medical liability<br />
    AMEN</p>
<p>6. Aggressively slow Medicare and Medicaid spending growth, and use the<br />
    savings for long-term deficit reduction </p>
<p>    Cost should be the focus of any plan. Insurance is a middleman<br />
    and takes the bill payer out of the picture. Combine that with the<br />
    &#8220;value of service&#8221; business model of Medical corporations and we get<br />
    very expensive and uneven medical billing.</p>
<p>    To accomplish #6, change &#8220;value of service&#8221; business model to<br />
    &#8220;cost of service&#8221; somehow. [Have to think about that. It is like<br />
    changing "income tax" to a "flat tax". You go from the very complex<br />
    to the very simple. Laffer in "End of Prosperity" describes how a<br />
    flat tax could work. We might be able to achieve the same results,<br />
    but lots of careful thought needs to be invested<br />
    before a coherent defensible plan can emerge.]</p>
<p>SUMMARY:<br />
   Agressive Medical Tort Reform.<br />
  HSA&#8217;s for planned medical care.<br />
  HCI for unexpected medical expenses sold anywhere in US.<br />
  Contributions to both are not taxed.<br />
  Government cannot get hands on HSA funds.<br />
  Insurance is a cause of high cost, not a cure.<br />
  Convert medical business model from &#8220;value of service&#8221; to &#8220;cost of service&#8221;.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('4923','Ed Bradford'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('4923','Ed Bradford','Keith,\r\n\r\nI commented on each of your 6 principles. I like them all and\r\ndespite the wording of my comments, think all of your points are\r\nexcellent and relevant.\r\n\r\n1. Repeal the current law tax exclusion for employer provided health\r\n   insurance, and replace it with a $7,500 (single) \/ $15K (family) flat\r\n   deduction for buying health insurance. \r\n\r\n    What would be just as good would be to require 15% of the salary\r\n    to be deposited in an HSA and have companies completely exit the\r\n    picture. This is one area where government coercion to save would\r\n    be better than government simply taking my money like\r\n    the do with Social Security. I would reluctantly support a \&quot;You must\r\n    put 15% of your salary in an HSA.\&quot; That would be 15% of all salaries\r\n    of any income level. Government would supply the safety net for\r\n    the poor in the form of negative HSA accounts and HCI premium payments.\r\n\r\n2. Allow the purchase of health insurance sold anywhere in the U.S. \r\n\r\n    I state elsewhere, that insurance for anything but the unexpected\r\n    is really health redistribution. I would prefer to say that Health\r\n    Catastrophic Insurance could be sold anywhere in the US. This\r\n    requires overriding state laws which may or may not be\r\n    constitutional.\r\n\r\n3. Make health insurance portable \r\n    Once we have an HSA and HCI and national coverage, it is owned by an individual,\r\n    it becomes portable. Also, with an HSA, HCI premiums can be\r\n    paid out of HSA while unemployed. &amp;#91;The government safety net\r\n    that allows an HSA to have a negative balance.&amp;#93;\r\n\r\n4. Expand Health Savings Accounts \r\n    This is it. HSA\'s are sustainable. Current insurance schemes\r\n    whether private or public are not. Higher contribution limits for\r\n    HSA might not be needed. Higher voluntary limits for HCI would be a good\r\n    thing.\r\n  \r\n5. Aggressively reform medical liability \r\n    AMEN\r\n\r\n6. Aggressively slow Medicare and Medicaid spending growth, and use the\r\n    savings for long-term deficit reduction \r\n\r\n    Cost should be the focus of any plan. Insurance is a middleman\r\n    and takes the bill payer out of the picture. Combine that with the\r\n    \&quot;value of service\&quot; business model of Medical corporations and we get\r\n    very expensive and uneven medical billing.\r\n\r\n    To accomplish #6, change \&quot;value of service\&quot; business model to\r\n    \&quot;cost of service\&quot; somehow. &amp;#91;Have to think about that. It is like\r\n    changing \&quot;income tax\&quot; to a \&quot;flat tax\&quot;. You go from the very complex\r\n    to the very simple. Laffer in \&quot;End of Prosperity\&quot; describes how a\r\n    flat tax could work. We might be able to achieve the same results,\r\n    but lots of careful thought needs to be invested\r\n    before a coherent defensible plan can emerge.&amp;#93;\r\n\r\nSUMMARY:\r\n   Agressive Medical Tort Reform.\r\n  HSA\'s for planned medical care.\r\n  HCI for unexpected medical expenses sold anywhere in US.\r\n  Contributions to both are not taxed.\r\n  Government cannot get hands on HSA funds.\r\n  Insurance is a cause of high cost, not a cure.\r\n  Convert medical business model from \&quot;value of service\&quot; to \&quot;cost of service\&quot;.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Ed Bradford</title>
		<link>http://keithhennessey.com/2009/07/30/health-plan-v2/comment-page-1/#comment-4921</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Bradford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 05:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&#039;#comment-4637&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@mcg&lt;/a&gt; - Thanks for the comment.

However, after searching around for some prices and being thoroughly surprised, I&#039;m more inclined to find a way to avoid all kinds of insurance, private and public. Insurance in and of itself seems very expensive.

Despite what this excellent article suggests

The Cost Conundrum
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/06/01/090601fa_fact_gawande?currentPage=all

having individuals acitively participate in paying doctors seems very important to me. Hostpitals and doctors offices charge what they can get. They look on it as &quot;value of service&quot;. The more you can pay, the more they charge. If the individual has no skin in the game because of excellent insurance coverage the costs go up. For example, in Chicago, Rush University Med Ctr reduces prices 50% if bills are  repaid. That is a stark reminder of how much insurance and paper work costs. Right there in Chicago is the 2x factor that makes our medical care twice as expensive as Canada and Europe. [Have you ever paid $40 for a box of kleenex in a hostpital?]

Health Savings accounts should be for all planned medical expenses including physical exams, dental cleanings, child birth, vaccinations and anything else that would be considered maintenance and expected. All contributions to them should be deductable. All companies relieved of health care benefit responsibilities ought (!) to increase the salaries of their employees by the amount of savings achieved by no longer having a company paid health plan. HSA&#039;s would cover planned health care and as you suggest, by suitable arrangements, the government could cover the HSA withdrawals for the poor. An additional benefit is that since the government offers such a safety net, when someone becomes unemployed, the HSA money can be used to pay an HCI premium during unemployment.

Health Catastrophic Insurance (HCI), (insurance for unexpected health issues) is the only form of insurance that should be relevant. Exactly how to make sure everyone is covered is a difficult problem because therein lies the rationing issue. However, it wouldn&#039;t be so bad with HSA&#039;s because many healthy people would have substantial amounts of money in their accounts and the accounts would grow faster than Social Security (which has for many a 1% rate of return). HSA would be required to put money in accounts that could only be used for direct pay to medical expenses [devil might be in these details, though]. HSA would be invested in Treasury notes and triple A rated bonds. 

I&#039;m guessing, but 15% of gross salary deposited in an HSA and paying for HCI could keep the next generation from contributing anything at all to the enormous entitlement dept. I also believe that the transition to such a plan is expensive but after fully deployed, the 15% number would go down because &quot;value of service&quot; would transform to &quot;cost of service&quot; which is an entirely different business model for medical corporations.

There&#039;s more to this, but the basic scheme is that an individual is responsible for his own health care and the government is involved not at all or as little as possible. Government provides the safety net, but that&#039;s all. The safety net is money not control.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;4921&#039;,&#039;Ed Bradford&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;4921&#039;,&#039;Ed Bradford&#039;,&#039;&lt;a href=\&#039;#comment-4637\&#039; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;@mcg&lt;\/a&gt; - Thanks for the comment.\r\n\r\nHowever, after searching around for some prices and being thoroughly surprised, I\&#039;m more inclined to find a way to avoid all kinds of insurance, private and public. Insurance in and of itself seems very expensive.\r\n\r\nDespite what this excellent article suggests\r\n\r\nThe Cost Conundrum\r\nhttp:\/\/www.newyorker.com\/reporting\/2009\/06\/01\/090601fa_fact_gawande?currentPage=all\r\n\r\nhaving individuals acitively participate in paying doctors seems very important to me. Hostpitals and doctors offices charge what they can get. They look on it as \&quot;value of service\&quot;. The more you can pay, the more they charge. If the individual has no skin in the game because of excellent insurance coverage the costs go up. For example, in Chicago, Rush University Med Ctr reduces prices 50% if bills are  repaid. That is a stark reminder of how much insurance and paper work costs. Right there in Chicago is the 2x factor that makes our medical care twice as expensive as Canada and Europe. &#091;Have you ever paid $40 for a box of kleenex in a hostpital?&#093;\r\n\r\nHealth Savings accounts should be for all planned medical expenses including physical exams, dental cleanings, child birth, vaccinations and anything else that would be considered maintenance and expected. All contributions to them should be deductable. All companies relieved of health care benefit responsibilities ought (!) to increase the salaries of their employees by the amount of savings achieved by no longer having a company paid health plan. HSA\&#039;s would cover planned health care and as you suggest, by suitable arrangements, the government could cover the HSA withdrawals for the poor. An additional benefit is that since the government offers such a safety net, when someone becomes unemployed, the HSA money can be used to pay an HCI premium during unemployment.\r\n\r\nHealth Catastrophic Insurance (HCI), (insurance for unexpected health issues) is the only form of insurance that should be relevant. Exactly how to make sure everyone is covered is a difficult problem because therein lies the rationing issue. However, it wouldn\&#039;t be so bad with HSA\&#039;s because many healthy people would have substantial amounts of money in their accounts and the accounts would grow faster than Social Security (which has for many a 1% rate of return). HSA would be required to put money in accounts that could only be used for direct pay to medical expenses &#091;devil might be in these details, though&#093;. HSA would be invested in Treasury notes and triple A rated bonds. \r\n\r\nI\&#039;m guessing, but 15% of gross salary deposited in an HSA and paying for HCI could keep the next generation from contributing anything at all to the enormous entitlement dept. I also believe that the transition to such a plan is expensive but after fully deployed, the 15% number would go down because \&quot;value of service\&quot; would transform to \&quot;cost of service\&quot; which is an entirely different business model for medical corporations.\r\n\r\nThere\&#039;s more to this, but the basic scheme is that an individual is responsible for his own health care and the government is involved not at all or as little as possible. Government provides the safety net, but that\&#039;s all. The safety net is money not control.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='#comment-4637' rel="nofollow">@mcg</a> &#8211; Thanks for the comment.</p>
<p>However, after searching around for some prices and being thoroughly surprised, I&#8217;m more inclined to find a way to avoid all kinds of insurance, private and public. Insurance in and of itself seems very expensive.</p>
<p>Despite what this excellent article suggests</p>
<p>The Cost Conundrum<br />
<a href="http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/06/01/090601fa_fact_gawande?currentPage=all" rel="nofollow">http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/06/01/090601fa_fact_gawande?currentPage=all</a></p>
<p>having individuals acitively participate in paying doctors seems very important to me. Hostpitals and doctors offices charge what they can get. They look on it as &#8220;value of service&#8221;. The more you can pay, the more they charge. If the individual has no skin in the game because of excellent insurance coverage the costs go up. For example, in Chicago, Rush University Med Ctr reduces prices 50% if bills are  repaid. That is a stark reminder of how much insurance and paper work costs. Right there in Chicago is the 2x factor that makes our medical care twice as expensive as Canada and Europe. [Have you ever paid $40 for a box of kleenex in a hostpital?]</p>
<p>Health Savings accounts should be for all planned medical expenses including physical exams, dental cleanings, child birth, vaccinations and anything else that would be considered maintenance and expected. All contributions to them should be deductable. All companies relieved of health care benefit responsibilities ought (!) to increase the salaries of their employees by the amount of savings achieved by no longer having a company paid health plan. HSA&#8217;s would cover planned health care and as you suggest, by suitable arrangements, the government could cover the HSA withdrawals for the poor. An additional benefit is that since the government offers such a safety net, when someone becomes unemployed, the HSA money can be used to pay an HCI premium during unemployment.</p>
<p>Health Catastrophic Insurance (HCI), (insurance for unexpected health issues) is the only form of insurance that should be relevant. Exactly how to make sure everyone is covered is a difficult problem because therein lies the rationing issue. However, it wouldn&#8217;t be so bad with HSA&#8217;s because many healthy people would have substantial amounts of money in their accounts and the accounts would grow faster than Social Security (which has for many a 1% rate of return). HSA would be required to put money in accounts that could only be used for direct pay to medical expenses [devil might be in these details, though]. HSA would be invested in Treasury notes and triple A rated bonds. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m guessing, but 15% of gross salary deposited in an HSA and paying for HCI could keep the next generation from contributing anything at all to the enormous entitlement dept. I also believe that the transition to such a plan is expensive but after fully deployed, the 15% number would go down because &#8220;value of service&#8221; would transform to &#8220;cost of service&#8221; which is an entirely different business model for medical corporations.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s more to this, but the basic scheme is that an individual is responsible for his own health care and the government is involved not at all or as little as possible. Government provides the safety net, but that&#8217;s all. The safety net is money not control.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('4921','Ed Bradford'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('4921','Ed Bradford','&lt;a href=\'#comment-4637\' rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;@mcg&lt;\/a&gt; - Thanks for the comment.\r\n\r\nHowever, after searching around for some prices and being thoroughly surprised, I\'m more inclined to find a way to avoid all kinds of insurance, private and public. Insurance in and of itself seems very expensive.\r\n\r\nDespite what this excellent article suggests\r\n\r\nThe Cost Conundrum\r\nhttp:\/\/www.newyorker.com\/reporting\/2009\/06\/01\/090601fa_fact_gawande?currentPage=all\r\n\r\nhaving individuals acitively participate in paying doctors seems very important to me. Hostpitals and doctors offices charge what they can get. They look on it as \&quot;value of service\&quot;. The more you can pay, the more they charge. If the individual has no skin in the game because of excellent insurance coverage the costs go up. For example, in Chicago, Rush University Med Ctr reduces prices 50% if bills are  repaid. That is a stark reminder of how much insurance and paper work costs. Right there in Chicago is the 2x factor that makes our medical care twice as expensive as Canada and Europe. &amp;#91;Have you ever paid $40 for a box of kleenex in a hostpital?&amp;#93;\r\n\r\nHealth Savings accounts should be for all planned medical expenses including physical exams, dental cleanings, child birth, vaccinations and anything else that would be considered maintenance and expected. All contributions to them should be deductable. All companies relieved of health care benefit responsibilities ought (!) to increase the salaries of their employees by the amount of savings achieved by no longer having a company paid health plan. HSA\'s would cover planned health care and as you suggest, by suitable arrangements, the government could cover the HSA withdrawals for the poor. An additional benefit is that since the government offers such a safety net, when someone becomes unemployed, the HSA money can be used to pay an HCI premium during unemployment.\r\n\r\nHealth Catastrophic Insurance (HCI), (insurance for unexpected health issues) is the only form of insurance that should be relevant. Exactly how to make sure everyone is covered is a difficult problem because therein lies the rationing issue. However, it wouldn\'t be so bad with HSA\'s because many healthy people would have substantial amounts of money in their accounts and the accounts would grow faster than Social Security (which has for many a 1% rate of return). HSA would be required to put money in accounts that could only be used for direct pay to medical expenses &amp;#91;devil might be in these details, though&amp;#93;. HSA would be invested in Treasury notes and triple A rated bonds. \r\n\r\nI\'m guessing, but 15% of gross salary deposited in an HSA and paying for HCI could keep the next generation from contributing anything at all to the enormous entitlement dept. I also believe that the transition to such a plan is expensive but after fully deployed, the 15% number would go down because \&quot;value of service\&quot; would transform to \&quot;cost of service\&quot; which is an entirely different business model for medical corporations.\r\n\r\nThere\'s more to this, but the basic scheme is that an individual is responsible for his own health care and the government is involved not at all or as little as possible. Government provides the safety net, but that\'s all. The safety net is money not control.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Steven Jens</title>
		<link>http://keithhennessey.com/2009/07/30/health-plan-v2/comment-page-1/#comment-4849</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Jens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 15:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@curious, note that &quot;below-average OECD life-expectancy&quot; is pretty close to the top and the bottom.  Life expectancies are pretty similar throughout the developed world.  Our life expectancies are due more to a higher homicide rate and higher obesity rates than our health-care system.

If life expectancy were the only outcome we cared about, this would be an argument in favor of other countries&#039; systems against our own -- we pay more for pretty similar results.  But consider a waiting list for a hip transplant.  A hip transplant has no effect on life expectancy, unless it brings it down slightly due to the risk that someone put under general anesthesia won&#039;t wake up.

It seems possible to me that we have more deaths from medical errors simply because we have more of those elective sorts of surgery, but I&#039;d be interested in other causes.  If there are cheap (not just in the sense of money, but of trade-offs in general) ways of bringing that number down, they would obviously worth doing.  If having a single centralized system holding patient records leads to fewer bad drug interactions, though, EMRs can get us those benefits without having to put our trust in a single provider.

@keith, I like what I see so far, but I&#039;ll be a lot more interested in signing on to your plan when you spell out some detail on 5 and especially 6.  Just saying you&#039;re going to save money without a serious plan for doing so sounds a bit too much like the current administration (which isn&#039;t to say they invented the tactic).&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;4849&#039;,&#039;Steven Jens&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;4849&#039;,&#039;Steven Jens&#039;,&#039;@curious, note that \&quot;below-average OECD life-expectancy\&quot; is pretty close to the top and the bottom.  Life expectancies are pretty similar throughout the developed world.  Our life expectancies are due more to a higher homicide rate and higher obesity rates than our health-care system.\r\n\r\nIf life expectancy were the only outcome we cared about, this would be an argument in favor of other countries\&#039; systems against our own -- we pay more for pretty similar results.  But consider a waiting list for a hip transplant.  A hip transplant has no effect on life expectancy, unless it brings it down slightly due to the risk that someone put under general anesthesia won\&#039;t wake up.\r\n\r\nIt seems possible to me that we have more deaths from medical errors simply because we have more of those elective sorts of surgery, but I\&#039;d be interested in other causes.  If there are cheap (not just in the sense of money, but of trade-offs in general) ways of bringing that number down, they would obviously worth doing.  If having a single centralized system holding patient records leads to fewer bad drug interactions, though, EMRs can get us those benefits without having to put our trust in a single provider.\r\n\r\n@keith, I like what I see so far, but I\&#039;ll be a lot more interested in signing on to your plan when you spell out some detail on 5 and especially 6.  Just saying you\&#039;re going to save money without a serious plan for doing so sounds a bit too much like the current administration (which isn\&#039;t to say they invented the tactic).&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@curious, note that &#8220;below-average OECD life-expectancy&#8221; is pretty close to the top and the bottom.  Life expectancies are pretty similar throughout the developed world.  Our life expectancies are due more to a higher homicide rate and higher obesity rates than our health-care system.</p>
<p>If life expectancy were the only outcome we cared about, this would be an argument in favor of other countries&#8217; systems against our own &#8212; we pay more for pretty similar results.  But consider a waiting list for a hip transplant.  A hip transplant has no effect on life expectancy, unless it brings it down slightly due to the risk that someone put under general anesthesia won&#8217;t wake up.</p>
<p>It seems possible to me that we have more deaths from medical errors simply because we have more of those elective sorts of surgery, but I&#8217;d be interested in other causes.  If there are cheap (not just in the sense of money, but of trade-offs in general) ways of bringing that number down, they would obviously worth doing.  If having a single centralized system holding patient records leads to fewer bad drug interactions, though, EMRs can get us those benefits without having to put our trust in a single provider.</p>
<p>@keith, I like what I see so far, but I&#8217;ll be a lot more interested in signing on to your plan when you spell out some detail on 5 and especially 6.  Just saying you&#8217;re going to save money without a serious plan for doing so sounds a bit too much like the current administration (which isn&#8217;t to say they invented the tactic).
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('4849','Steven Jens'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('4849','Steven Jens','@curious, note that \&quot;below-average OECD life-expectancy\&quot; is pretty close to the top and the bottom.  Life expectancies are pretty similar throughout the developed world.  Our life expectancies are due more to a higher homicide rate and higher obesity rates than our health-care system.\r\n\r\nIf life expectancy were the only outcome we cared about, this would be an argument in favor of other countries\' systems against our own -- we pay more for pretty similar results.  But consider a waiting list for a hip transplant.  A hip transplant has no effect on life expectancy, unless it brings it down slightly due to the risk that someone put under general anesthesia won\'t wake up.\r\n\r\nIt seems possible to me that we have more deaths from medical errors simply because we have more of those elective sorts of surgery, but I\'d be interested in other causes.  If there are cheap (not just in the sense of money, but of trade-offs in general) ways of bringing that number down, they would obviously worth doing.  If having a single centralized system holding patient records leads to fewer bad drug interactions, though, EMRs can get us those benefits without having to put our trust in a single provider.\r\n\r\n@keith, I like what I see so far, but I\'ll be a lot more interested in signing on to your plan when you spell out some detail on 5 and especially 6.  Just saying you\'re going to save money without a serious plan for doing so sounds a bit too much like the current administration (which isn\'t to say they invented the tactic).'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Billy Oblivion</title>
		<link>http://keithhennessey.com/2009/07/30/health-plan-v2/comment-page-1/#comment-4717</link>
		<dc:creator>Billy Oblivion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 02:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another way to &quot;bend the cost curve down&quot; is for the government to  assist the insurance companies in getting together and reducing the paperwork/submission workflow issues. Currently (as I understand it) each insurance company has their own processes, their own forms and their own procedures for claim submission and other procedures. Revamping this, and cleaning up/organizing other compliance issues (HIPPA/SOX compliance is f&#039;ng nasty) would provide a great deal of efficiency.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;4717&#039;,&#039;Billy Oblivion&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;4717&#039;,&#039;Billy Oblivion&#039;,&#039;Another way to \&quot;bend the cost curve down\&quot; is for the government to  assist the insurance companies in getting together and reducing the paperwork\/submission workflow issues. Currently (as I understand it) each insurance company has their own processes, their own forms and their own procedures for claim submission and other procedures. Revamping this, and cleaning up\/organizing other compliance issues (HIPPA\/SOX compliance is f\&#039;ng nasty) would provide a great deal of efficiency.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another way to &#8220;bend the cost curve down&#8221; is for the government to  assist the insurance companies in getting together and reducing the paperwork/submission workflow issues. Currently (as I understand it) each insurance company has their own processes, their own forms and their own procedures for claim submission and other procedures. Revamping this, and cleaning up/organizing other compliance issues (HIPPA/SOX compliance is f&#8217;ng nasty) would provide a great deal of efficiency.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('4717','Billy Oblivion'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('4717','Billy Oblivion','Another way to \&quot;bend the cost curve down\&quot; is for the government to  assist the insurance companies in getting together and reducing the paperwork\/submission workflow issues. Currently (as I understand it) each insurance company has their own processes, their own forms and their own procedures for claim submission and other procedures. Revamping this, and cleaning up\/organizing other compliance issues (HIPPA\/SOX compliance is f\'ng nasty) would provide a great deal of efficiency.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: RedSt8r</title>
		<link>http://keithhennessey.com/2009/07/30/health-plan-v2/comment-page-1/#comment-4650</link>
		<dc:creator>RedSt8r</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 17:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@mcg: you make a good point for refundable credit rather than tax deduction. Approximately half the population does not pay federal income tax so a tax deduction for them is worthless.

@Keith: it won&#039;t be 100m+ who pay less taxes (nearly half pay zeo now) more like 50m+ and the amount saved will vary by income. A refundable tax credit is the better option.

I would encourage the refundable tax credit to be at the same levels - $7500/$15000. That will easily cover the health insurance costs for everyone and probably some of the copays as well. Since people can keep what&#039;s left there is incentive to keep costs low(er). Better the people than the banks.

@curious: I&#039;ve seen this comment many times before. I would be curious about other similar statistics. For example, what is the per capita expenditure on food in the US versus other nations. Housing? Transportation? Picking just the health expenditures is suggestive of selective statistics. I am sceptical of many US statistics, foreign stats even less so. Last, if the per capita health expenditures of so many foreign nations are so drastically lower than in the US why are ALL the nations that have national health care having so much trouble with their budgets as a result of health care expenditures?&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;4650&#039;,&#039;RedSt8r&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;4650&#039;,&#039;RedSt8r&#039;,&#039;@mcg: you make a good point for refundable credit rather than tax deduction. Approximately half the population does not pay federal income tax so a tax deduction for them is worthless.\r\n\r\n@Keith: it won\&#039;t be 100m+ who pay less taxes (nearly half pay zeo now) more like 50m+ and the amount saved will vary by income. A refundable tax credit is the better option.\r\n\r\nI would encourage the refundable tax credit to be at the same levels - $7500\/$15000. That will easily cover the health insurance costs for everyone and probably some of the copays as well. Since people can keep what\&#039;s left there is incentive to keep costs low(er). Better the people than the banks.\r\n\r\n@curious: I\&#039;ve seen this comment many times before. I would be curious about other similar statistics. For example, what is the per capita expenditure on food in the US versus other nations. Housing? Transportation? Picking just the health expenditures is suggestive of selective statistics. I am sceptical of many US statistics, foreign stats even less so. Last, if the per capita health expenditures of so many foreign nations are so drastically lower than in the US why are ALL the nations that have national health care having so much trouble with their budgets as a result of health care expenditures?&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@mcg: you make a good point for refundable credit rather than tax deduction. Approximately half the population does not pay federal income tax so a tax deduction for them is worthless.</p>
<p>@Keith: it won&#8217;t be 100m+ who pay less taxes (nearly half pay zeo now) more like 50m+ and the amount saved will vary by income. A refundable tax credit is the better option.</p>
<p>I would encourage the refundable tax credit to be at the same levels &#8211; $7500/$15000. That will easily cover the health insurance costs for everyone and probably some of the copays as well. Since people can keep what&#8217;s left there is incentive to keep costs low(er). Better the people than the banks.</p>
<p>@curious: I&#8217;ve seen this comment many times before. I would be curious about other similar statistics. For example, what is the per capita expenditure on food in the US versus other nations. Housing? Transportation? Picking just the health expenditures is suggestive of selective statistics. I am sceptical of many US statistics, foreign stats even less so. Last, if the per capita health expenditures of so many foreign nations are so drastically lower than in the US why are ALL the nations that have national health care having so much trouble with their budgets as a result of health care expenditures?
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('4650','RedSt8r'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('4650','RedSt8r','@mcg: you make a good point for refundable credit rather than tax deduction. Approximately half the population does not pay federal income tax so a tax deduction for them is worthless.\r\n\r\n@Keith: it won\'t be 100m+ who pay less taxes (nearly half pay zeo now) more like 50m+ and the amount saved will vary by income. A refundable tax credit is the better option.\r\n\r\nI would encourage the refundable tax credit to be at the same levels - $7500\/$15000. That will easily cover the health insurance costs for everyone and probably some of the copays as well. Since people can keep what\'s left there is incentive to keep costs low(er). Better the people than the banks.\r\n\r\n@curious: I\'ve seen this comment many times before. I would be curious about other similar statistics. For example, what is the per capita expenditure on food in the US versus other nations. Housing? Transportation? Picking just the health expenditures is suggestive of selective statistics. I am sceptical of many US statistics, foreign stats even less so. Last, if the per capita health expenditures of so many foreign nations are so drastically lower than in the US why are ALL the nations that have national health care having so much trouble with their budgets as a result of health care expenditures?'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: mcg</title>
		<link>http://keithhennessey.com/2009/07/30/health-plan-v2/comment-page-1/#comment-4637</link>
		<dc:creator>mcg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 15:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed, I think if you change the deduction to a refundable credit, that solves the problem of it leaving out the poor. Doing so will effectively subsidize health insurance for anyone whose income tax burden is less than the cost of health insurance. 

You could make this even easier by allowing the insurance companies to collect premiums directly from the government, so that there are no out-of-pocket expenses (up to the limit of the tax credit, of course).&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;4637&#039;,&#039;mcg&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;4637&#039;,&#039;mcg&#039;,&#039;Ed, I think if you change the deduction to a refundable credit, that solves the problem of it leaving out the poor. Doing so will effectively subsidize health insurance for anyone whose income tax burden is less than the cost of health insurance. \r\n\r\nYou could make this even easier by allowing the insurance companies to collect premiums directly from the government, so that there are no out-of-pocket expenses (up to the limit of the tax credit, of course).&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed, I think if you change the deduction to a refundable credit, that solves the problem of it leaving out the poor. Doing so will effectively subsidize health insurance for anyone whose income tax burden is less than the cost of health insurance. </p>
<p>You could make this even easier by allowing the insurance companies to collect premiums directly from the government, so that there are no out-of-pocket expenses (up to the limit of the tax credit, of course).
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('4637','mcg'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('4637','mcg','Ed, I think if you change the deduction to a refundable credit, that solves the problem of it leaving out the poor. Doing so will effectively subsidize health insurance for anyone whose income tax burden is less than the cost of health insurance. \r\n\r\nYou could make this even easier by allowing the insurance companies to collect premiums directly from the government, so that there are no out-of-pocket expenses (up to the limit of the tax credit, of course).'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: A counterpoint to the Presidentâ€™s health care reform emailÂ #tcot #fb &#171; Kelly R. Conaty MD, MBA</title>
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