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		<title>By: KETTLE2</title>
		<link>http://keithhennessey.com/2009/07/17/hennessey-health-plan/comment-page-2/#comment-5696</link>
		<dc:creator>KETTLE2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 02:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wHY DOES SHE NOT LET HOWARD COMPLETE WHAT HE IS SAYING ...SHE KEEPS BUTTING IN BUT NOT ON THE OTHER GUY...WHY IS SHE A REPUBLICAN. &lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;5696&#039;,&#039;KETTLE2&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;5696&#039;,&#039;KETTLE2&#039;,&#039;wHY DOES SHE NOT LET HOWARD COMPLETE WHAT HE IS SAYING ...SHE KEEPS BUTTING IN BUT NOT ON THE OTHER GUY...WHY IS SHE A REPUBLICAN. &#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wHY DOES SHE NOT LET HOWARD COMPLETE WHAT HE IS SAYING &#8230;SHE KEEPS BUTTING IN BUT NOT ON THE OTHER GUY&#8230;WHY IS SHE A REPUBLICAN.
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		<title>By: Brooks</title>
		<link>http://keithhennessey.com/2009/07/17/hennessey-health-plan/comment-page-2/#comment-4142</link>
		<dc:creator>Brooks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 00:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Steven Hales,
thanks. I assume Kaiser is still both insurer and provider, which may be a different animal, but I&#039;ll check into the ACO concept.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;4142&#039;,&#039;Brooks&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;4142&#039;,&#039;Brooks&#039;,&#039;@Steven Hales,\r\nthanks. I assume Kaiser is still both insurer and provider, which may be a different animal, but I\&#039;ll check into the ACO concept.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Steven Hales,<br />
thanks. I assume Kaiser is still both insurer and provider, which may be a different animal, but I&#8217;ll check into the ACO concept.
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		<title>By: that hero - be it</title>
		<link>http://keithhennessey.com/2009/07/17/hennessey-health-plan/comment-page-2/#comment-4109</link>
		<dc:creator>that hero - be it</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 02:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] George W. Bush&#8217;s administration, and offers more detailed analysis of the problem - and more recommended solutions - than anyone I&#8217;ve stumbled [...]&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;4109&#039;,&#039;that hero - be it&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;4109&#039;,&#039;that hero - be it&#039;,&#039;&#91;...&#93; George W. Bush&#8217;s administration, and offers more detailed analysis of the problem - and more recommended solutions - than anyone I&#8217;ve stumbled &#91;...&#93;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] George W. Bush&#8217;s administration, and offers more detailed analysis of the problem &#8211; and more recommended solutions &#8211; than anyone I&#8217;ve stumbled [...]
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		<title>By: Steven Hales</title>
		<link>http://keithhennessey.com/2009/07/17/hennessey-health-plan/comment-page-2/#comment-4037</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Hales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&#039;#comment-3879&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Brooks&lt;/a&gt; - 

HR3200 has a pilot program for Accountable Care Organizations (ACO).  These ACOs earn incentive dollars when their costs fall below some baseline.  There is an opportunity here for expansion of these programs into the small physician practice area.  The Mayo Clinic, Kaiser and The Cleveland Clinic have all dispensed with fee for service from the physician end long ago and are patient focussed and outcome focussed.  Medicare Advantage is an existing ACO and has had moderate success from what I have seen.

The problem as I see it in the current reform is that no one&#039;s ox is getting gored.  The AMA was bought off with higher payments under the public option and the timid steps toward reform contained in HR3200 doesn&#039;t harm anyone outright except the taxpayer, curious.  If the AMA was screaming and hospital administrator&#039;s were predicting their own demise then we would know that true reform was underway.  Instead we have a Congress who seeks to offend only the taxpayer.  Obama is suffering from overreach.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;4037&#039;,&#039;Steven Hales&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;4037&#039;,&#039;Steven Hales&#039;,&#039;&lt;a href=\&#039;#comment-3879\&#039; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;@Brooks&lt;\/a&gt; - \r\n\r\nHR3200 has a pilot program for Accountable Care Organizations (ACO).  These ACOs earn incentive dollars when their costs fall below some baseline.  There is an opportunity here for expansion of these programs into the small physician practice area.  The Mayo Clinic, Kaiser and The Cleveland Clinic have all dispensed with fee for service from the physician end long ago and are patient focussed and outcome focussed.  Medicare Advantage is an existing ACO and has had moderate success from what I have seen.\r\n\r\nThe problem as I see it in the current reform is that no one\&#039;s ox is getting gored.  The AMA was bought off with higher payments under the public option and the timid steps toward reform contained in HR3200 doesn\&#039;t harm anyone outright except the taxpayer, curious.  If the AMA was screaming and hospital administrator\&#039;s were predicting their own demise then we would know that true reform was underway.  Instead we have a Congress who seeks to offend only the taxpayer.  Obama is suffering from overreach.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='#comment-3879' rel="nofollow">@Brooks</a> &#8211; </p>
<p>HR3200 has a pilot program for Accountable Care Organizations (ACO).  These ACOs earn incentive dollars when their costs fall below some baseline.  There is an opportunity here for expansion of these programs into the small physician practice area.  The Mayo Clinic, Kaiser and The Cleveland Clinic have all dispensed with fee for service from the physician end long ago and are patient focussed and outcome focussed.  Medicare Advantage is an existing ACO and has had moderate success from what I have seen.</p>
<p>The problem as I see it in the current reform is that no one&#8217;s ox is getting gored.  The AMA was bought off with higher payments under the public option and the timid steps toward reform contained in HR3200 doesn&#8217;t harm anyone outright except the taxpayer, curious.  If the AMA was screaming and hospital administrator&#8217;s were predicting their own demise then we would know that true reform was underway.  Instead we have a Congress who seeks to offend only the taxpayer.  Obama is suffering from overreach.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('4037','Steven Hales'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('4037','Steven Hales','&lt;a href=\'#comment-3879\' rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;@Brooks&lt;\/a&gt; - \r\n\r\nHR3200 has a pilot program for Accountable Care Organizations (ACO).  These ACOs earn incentive dollars when their costs fall below some baseline.  There is an opportunity here for expansion of these programs into the small physician practice area.  The Mayo Clinic, Kaiser and The Cleveland Clinic have all dispensed with fee for service from the physician end long ago and are patient focussed and outcome focussed.  Medicare Advantage is an existing ACO and has had moderate success from what I have seen.\r\n\r\nThe problem as I see it in the current reform is that no one\'s ox is getting gored.  The AMA was bought off with higher payments under the public option and the timid steps toward reform contained in HR3200 doesn\'t harm anyone outright except the taxpayer, curious.  If the AMA was screaming and hospital administrator\'s were predicting their own demise then we would know that true reform was underway.  Instead we have a Congress who seeks to offend only the taxpayer.  Obama is suffering from overreach.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: tt</title>
		<link>http://keithhennessey.com/2009/07/17/hennessey-health-plan/comment-page-2/#comment-3908</link>
		<dc:creator>tt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. Every  US citizen is too big to fail. He or she will be bailed out in case of serious illness.  Who is going  to pay for such bailout?
2. If I buy a an insurance and I don&#039;t like the quality when I get sick, what&#039;re my options? 
3. If an insurance go under,   when I get sick, what&#039;re my options?&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;3908&#039;,&#039;tt&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;3908&#039;,&#039;tt&#039;,&#039;1. Every  US citizen is too big to fail. He or she will be bailed out in case of serious illness.  Who is going  to pay for such bailout?\r\n2. If I buy a an insurance and I don\&#039;t like the quality when I get sick, what\&#039;re my options? \r\n3. If an insurance go under,   when I get sick, what\&#039;re my options?&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Every  US citizen is too big to fail. He or she will be bailed out in case of serious illness.  Who is going  to pay for such bailout?<br />
2. If I buy a an insurance and I don&#8217;t like the quality when I get sick, what&#8217;re my options?<br />
3. If an insurance go under,   when I get sick, what&#8217;re my options?
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		<title>By: Evinx</title>
		<link>http://keithhennessey.com/2009/07/17/hennessey-health-plan/comment-page-2/#comment-3899</link>
		<dc:creator>Evinx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you omitted one key item - ELIMINATE ALL FEDERAL GOVT MANDATES. By so doing, it will allow for an a la carte approach which will make for a lot more competition and greater price sensitivity (tradeoffs of c costs vs benefits) by the purchasing consumer.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;3899&#039;,&#039;Evinx&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;3899&#039;,&#039;Evinx&#039;,&#039;I think you omitted one key item - ELIMINATE ALL FEDERAL GOVT MANDATES. By so doing, it will allow for an a la carte approach which will make for a lot more competition and greater price sensitivity (tradeoffs of c costs vs benefits) by the purchasing consumer.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you omitted one key item &#8211; ELIMINATE ALL FEDERAL GOVT MANDATES. By so doing, it will allow for an a la carte approach which will make for a lot more competition and greater price sensitivity (tradeoffs of c costs vs benefits) by the purchasing consumer.
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		<title>By: percy</title>
		<link>http://keithhennessey.com/2009/07/17/hennessey-health-plan/comment-page-2/#comment-3892</link>
		<dc:creator>percy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The most appealing aspect of your plan is that a Senator can read it before voting on it.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;3892&#039;,&#039;percy&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;3892&#039;,&#039;percy&#039;,&#039;The most appealing aspect of your plan is that a Senator can read it before voting on it.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most appealing aspect of your plan is that a Senator can read it before voting on it.
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		<title>By: Steve MacDonald</title>
		<link>http://keithhennessey.com/2009/07/17/hennessey-health-plan/comment-page-2/#comment-3890</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve MacDonald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I both like and agree with the approach. As a method of actually selling this it might be usefull to look at the approx. 8 million citizens (the famous 50 million stripped of those who self insure, are illegals, between jobs or are eligible foe govt. help but have not enrolled) that appear to be the hard core not insured. if we just gave them a check for $4,000 each to purchase insurance, we could offset cost simply by reducing a little pork. $32 Billion in today&#039;s budget numbers gets lost in the round up.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;3890&#039;,&#039;Steve MacDonald&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;3890&#039;,&#039;Steve MacDonald&#039;,&#039;I both like and agree with the approach. As a method of actually selling this it might be usefull to look at the approx. 8 million citizens (the famous 50 million stripped of those who self insure, are illegals, between jobs or are eligible foe govt. help but have not enrolled) that appear to be the hard core not insured. if we just gave them a check for $4,000 each to purchase insurance, we could offset cost simply by reducing a little pork. $32 Billion in today\&#039;s budget numbers gets lost in the round up.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I both like and agree with the approach. As a method of actually selling this it might be usefull to look at the approx. 8 million citizens (the famous 50 million stripped of those who self insure, are illegals, between jobs or are eligible foe govt. help but have not enrolled) that appear to be the hard core not insured. if we just gave them a check for $4,000 each to purchase insurance, we could offset cost simply by reducing a little pork. $32 Billion in today&#8217;s budget numbers gets lost in the round up.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('3890','Steve MacDonald'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('3890','Steve MacDonald','I both like and agree with the approach. As a method of actually selling this it might be usefull to look at the approx. 8 million citizens (the famous 50 million stripped of those who self insure, are illegals, between jobs or are eligible foe govt. help but have not enrolled) that appear to be the hard core not insured. if we just gave them a check for $4,000 each to purchase insurance, we could offset cost simply by reducing a little pork. $32 Billion in today\'s budget numbers gets lost in the round up.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Brooks</title>
		<link>http://keithhennessey.com/2009/07/17/hennessey-health-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-3879</link>
		<dc:creator>Brooks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 06:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keith,

You rightly emphasized in earlier posts the need for cost-containment incentives, although I think more from the patient side (i.e., the patient bearing more of the cost as opposed to your Jiffy Lube hypothetical analogy to our current system http://keithhennessey.com/2009/04/21/slowing-health-cost-growth-requires-information-and-incentives/ ) than from the provider side (correct me if I&#039;ve missed your addressing the latter, particularly if you&#039;ve offered solutions, direct or indirect). Perhaps, similarly, the incentive portion of your healthcare plan above is the health savings accounts. But I think there is still a gaping hole in the incentives portion of your plan; what about provider incentives?

For whatever it&#039;s worth, although there is still much I&#039;ve been meaning to find time to read on healthcare reform options, and so I don&#039;t feel highly-informed even for a layperson, my gut tells me that, sooner or later, we are headed toward widespread use of the gatekeeper capitation model of health insurance in both private and public sectors, quite possibly with &quot;withhold&quot; incentives (all explained below).

Way back over two decades ago I worked for a large IPO-style HMO (&quot;IPO&quot; meaning independent physicians treating in their own offices, as opposed to the &quot;staff&quot; model of Kaiser that had their own facilities with salaried medical staff). Members could only see a specialist after seeing the primary physician first and only if the primary physician gave a referral (i.e., approval), and did so to an in-network specialist, sometimes only of his choosing. This primary physician was compensated on a &quot;capitated&quot; basis: a fixed dollar amount per month per member signed up with that primary physician, whether that member was seen as a patient several times that month or not at all. Additionally, a portion of that monthly payment was &quot;withheld&quot;, and how much of it was eventually paid to that primary physician would depend on his level of referrals to specialists (who are generally more expensive). Thus, the primary physician would earn more money to the extent that he/she abstained from -- or refuse to, when the patient so requested -- referring patients to specialists, whether that meant the primary treating the ailment himself/herself or doing nothing.

I believe the above can provide strong cost containment. And I think it may eventually be necessary, in order to align provider incentives with a balance of healthcare objectives and cost-containment. But we should recognize that it would adversely impact healthcare in many cases. I recall personally having to argue somewhat heatedly with my primary physician before he would refer me to a specialist for a serious, chronic knee problem I had at the time. Someone less assertive would have been stuck with this primary doc&#039;s best-guess &quot;solution&quot; of a few exercises he suggested, which may have worked for some, but not others.

Frankly, I&#039;m sick of seeing over and over and over again the same tired phrases regarding the need to &quot;move away from fee for service&quot; and &quot;change incentives&quot; and &quot;reward quality instead of quantity&quot;, etc., etc., with very little or no discussion at all of what that would entail (although it&#039;s even worse when the matter of incentives is not even addressed). The above is what I think it will end up meaning, at least in part. If you or anyone else has thoughts on this topic I&#039;d like to hear them, along with any sense you have of the likely/potential adverse impact on healthcare.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;3879&#039;,&#039;Brooks&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;3879&#039;,&#039;Brooks&#039;,&#039;Keith,\r\n\r\nYou rightly emphasized in earlier posts the need for cost-containment incentives, although I think more from the patient side (i.e., the patient bearing more of the cost as opposed to your Jiffy Lube hypothetical analogy to our current system http:\/\/keithhennessey.com\/2009\/04\/21\/slowing-health-cost-growth-requires-information-and-incentives\/ ) than from the provider side (correct me if I\&#039;ve missed your addressing the latter, particularly if you\&#039;ve offered solutions, direct or indirect). Perhaps, similarly, the incentive portion of your healthcare plan above is the health savings accounts. But I think there is still a gaping hole in the incentives portion of your plan; what about provider incentives?\r\n\r\nFor whatever it\&#039;s worth, although there is still much I\&#039;ve been meaning to find time to read on healthcare reform options, and so I don\&#039;t feel highly-informed even for a layperson, my gut tells me that, sooner or later, we are headed toward widespread use of the gatekeeper capitation model of health insurance in both private and public sectors, quite possibly with \&quot;withhold\&quot; incentives (all explained below).\r\n\r\nWay back over two decades ago I worked for a large IPO-style HMO (\&quot;IPO\&quot; meaning independent physicians treating in their own offices, as opposed to the \&quot;staff\&quot; model of Kaiser that had their own facilities with salaried medical staff). Members could only see a specialist after seeing the primary physician first and only if the primary physician gave a referral (i.e., approval), and did so to an in-network specialist, sometimes only of his choosing. This primary physician was compensated on a \&quot;capitated\&quot; basis: a fixed dollar amount per month per member signed up with that primary physician, whether that member was seen as a patient several times that month or not at all. Additionally, a portion of that monthly payment was \&quot;withheld\&quot;, and how much of it was eventually paid to that primary physician would depend on his level of referrals to specialists (who are generally more expensive). Thus, the primary physician would earn more money to the extent that he\/she abstained from -- or refuse to, when the patient so requested -- referring patients to specialists, whether that meant the primary treating the ailment himself\/herself or doing nothing.\r\n\r\nI believe the above can provide strong cost containment. And I think it may eventually be necessary, in order to align provider incentives with a balance of healthcare objectives and cost-containment. But we should recognize that it would adversely impact healthcare in many cases. I recall personally having to argue somewhat heatedly with my primary physician before he would refer me to a specialist for a serious, chronic knee problem I had at the time. Someone less assertive would have been stuck with this primary doc\&#039;s best-guess \&quot;solution\&quot; of a few exercises he suggested, which may have worked for some, but not others.\r\n\r\nFrankly, I\&#039;m sick of seeing over and over and over again the same tired phrases regarding the need to \&quot;move away from fee for service\&quot; and \&quot;change incentives\&quot; and \&quot;reward quality instead of quantity\&quot;, etc., etc., with very little or no discussion at all of what that would entail (although it\&#039;s even worse when the matter of incentives is not even addressed). The above is what I think it will end up meaning, at least in part. If you or anyone else has thoughts on this topic I\&#039;d like to hear them, along with any sense you have of the likely\/potential adverse impact on healthcare.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keith,</p>
<p>You rightly emphasized in earlier posts the need for cost-containment incentives, although I think more from the patient side (i.e., the patient bearing more of the cost as opposed to your Jiffy Lube hypothetical analogy to our current system <a href="http://keithhennessey.com/2009/04/21/slowing-health-cost-growth-requires-information-and-incentives/" rel="nofollow">http://keithhennessey.com/2009/04/21/slowing-health-cost-growth-requires-information-and-incentives/</a> ) than from the provider side (correct me if I&#8217;ve missed your addressing the latter, particularly if you&#8217;ve offered solutions, direct or indirect). Perhaps, similarly, the incentive portion of your healthcare plan above is the health savings accounts. But I think there is still a gaping hole in the incentives portion of your plan; what about provider incentives?</p>
<p>For whatever it&#8217;s worth, although there is still much I&#8217;ve been meaning to find time to read on healthcare reform options, and so I don&#8217;t feel highly-informed even for a layperson, my gut tells me that, sooner or later, we are headed toward widespread use of the gatekeeper capitation model of health insurance in both private and public sectors, quite possibly with &#8220;withhold&#8221; incentives (all explained below).</p>
<p>Way back over two decades ago I worked for a large IPO-style HMO (&#8220;IPO&#8221; meaning independent physicians treating in their own offices, as opposed to the &#8220;staff&#8221; model of Kaiser that had their own facilities with salaried medical staff). Members could only see a specialist after seeing the primary physician first and only if the primary physician gave a referral (i.e., approval), and did so to an in-network specialist, sometimes only of his choosing. This primary physician was compensated on a &#8220;capitated&#8221; basis: a fixed dollar amount per month per member signed up with that primary physician, whether that member was seen as a patient several times that month or not at all. Additionally, a portion of that monthly payment was &#8220;withheld&#8221;, and how much of it was eventually paid to that primary physician would depend on his level of referrals to specialists (who are generally more expensive). Thus, the primary physician would earn more money to the extent that he/she abstained from &#8212; or refuse to, when the patient so requested &#8212; referring patients to specialists, whether that meant the primary treating the ailment himself/herself or doing nothing.</p>
<p>I believe the above can provide strong cost containment. And I think it may eventually be necessary, in order to align provider incentives with a balance of healthcare objectives and cost-containment. But we should recognize that it would adversely impact healthcare in many cases. I recall personally having to argue somewhat heatedly with my primary physician before he would refer me to a specialist for a serious, chronic knee problem I had at the time. Someone less assertive would have been stuck with this primary doc&#8217;s best-guess &#8220;solution&#8221; of a few exercises he suggested, which may have worked for some, but not others.</p>
<p>Frankly, I&#8217;m sick of seeing over and over and over again the same tired phrases regarding the need to &#8220;move away from fee for service&#8221; and &#8220;change incentives&#8221; and &#8220;reward quality instead of quantity&#8221;, etc., etc., with very little or no discussion at all of what that would entail (although it&#8217;s even worse when the matter of incentives is not even addressed). The above is what I think it will end up meaning, at least in part. If you or anyone else has thoughts on this topic I&#8217;d like to hear them, along with any sense you have of the likely/potential adverse impact on healthcare.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('3879','Brooks'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('3879','Brooks','Keith,\r\n\r\nYou rightly emphasized in earlier posts the need for cost-containment incentives, although I think more from the patient side (i.e., the patient bearing more of the cost as opposed to your Jiffy Lube hypothetical analogy to our current system http:\/\/keithhennessey.com\/2009\/04\/21\/slowing-health-cost-growth-requires-information-and-incentives\/ ) than from the provider side (correct me if I\'ve missed your addressing the latter, particularly if you\'ve offered solutions, direct or indirect). Perhaps, similarly, the incentive portion of your healthcare plan above is the health savings accounts. But I think there is still a gaping hole in the incentives portion of your plan; what about provider incentives?\r\n\r\nFor whatever it\'s worth, although there is still much I\'ve been meaning to find time to read on healthcare reform options, and so I don\'t feel highly-informed even for a layperson, my gut tells me that, sooner or later, we are headed toward widespread use of the gatekeeper capitation model of health insurance in both private and public sectors, quite possibly with \&quot;withhold\&quot; incentives (all explained below).\r\n\r\nWay back over two decades ago I worked for a large IPO-style HMO (\&quot;IPO\&quot; meaning independent physicians treating in their own offices, as opposed to the \&quot;staff\&quot; model of Kaiser that had their own facilities with salaried medical staff). Members could only see a specialist after seeing the primary physician first and only if the primary physician gave a referral (i.e., approval), and did so to an in-network specialist, sometimes only of his choosing. This primary physician was compensated on a \&quot;capitated\&quot; basis: a fixed dollar amount per month per member signed up with that primary physician, whether that member was seen as a patient several times that month or not at all. Additionally, a portion of that monthly payment was \&quot;withheld\&quot;, and how much of it was eventually paid to that primary physician would depend on his level of referrals to specialists (who are generally more expensive). Thus, the primary physician would earn more money to the extent that he\/she abstained from -- or refuse to, when the patient so requested -- referring patients to specialists, whether that meant the primary treating the ailment himself\/herself or doing nothing.\r\n\r\nI believe the above can provide strong cost containment. And I think it may eventually be necessary, in order to align provider incentives with a balance of healthcare objectives and cost-containment. But we should recognize that it would adversely impact healthcare in many cases. I recall personally having to argue somewhat heatedly with my primary physician before he would refer me to a specialist for a serious, chronic knee problem I had at the time. Someone less assertive would have been stuck with this primary doc\'s best-guess \&quot;solution\&quot; of a few exercises he suggested, which may have worked for some, but not others.\r\n\r\nFrankly, I\'m sick of seeing over and over and over again the same tired phrases regarding the need to \&quot;move away from fee for service\&quot; and \&quot;change incentives\&quot; and \&quot;reward quality instead of quantity\&quot;, etc., etc., with very little or no discussion at all of what that would entail (although it\'s even worse when the matter of incentives is not even addressed). The above is what I think it will end up meaning, at least in part. If you or anyone else has thoughts on this topic I\'d like to hear them, along with any sense you have of the likely\/potential adverse impact on healthcare.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&#039;#comment-3751&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Skeptic&lt;/a&gt; - &lt;a href=&#039;#comment-3751&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Skeptic&lt;/a&gt; -   The expansion of HSA accounts and the power of individuals to choose what to spend on items before the high deductible kicks in will have a positive effect on the cost curve.  For example, eye glasses-- when someone else pays the bill the Oakleys or the Guccis get chosen; when I have to pay it, I might just be happy enough to get the $99 pair from Sears.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;3866&#039;,&#039;reddog53&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;3866&#039;,&#039;reddog53&#039;,&#039;&lt;a href=\&#039;#comment-3751\&#039; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;@Skeptic&lt;\/a&gt; - &lt;a href=\&#039;#comment-3751\&#039; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;@Skeptic&lt;\/a&gt; -   The expansion of HSA accounts and the power of individuals to choose what to spend on items before the high deductible kicks in will have a positive effect on the cost curve.  For example, eye glasses-- when someone else pays the bill the Oakleys or the Guccis get chosen; when I have to pay it, I might just be happy enough to get the $99 pair from Sears.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='#comment-3751' rel="nofollow">@Skeptic</a> &#8211; <a href='#comment-3751' rel="nofollow">@Skeptic</a> &#8211;   The expansion of HSA accounts and the power of individuals to choose what to spend on items before the high deductible kicks in will have a positive effect on the cost curve.  For example, eye glasses&#8211; when someone else pays the bill the Oakleys or the Guccis get chosen; when I have to pay it, I might just be happy enough to get the $99 pair from Sears.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('3866','reddog53'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('3866','reddog53','&lt;a href=\'#comment-3751\' rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;@Skeptic&lt;\/a&gt; - &lt;a href=\'#comment-3751\' rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;@Skeptic&lt;\/a&gt; -   The expansion of HSA accounts and the power of individuals to choose what to spend on items before the high deductible kicks in will have a positive effect on the cost curve.  For example, eye glasses-- when someone else pays the bill the Oakleys or the Guccis get chosen; when I have to pay it, I might just be happy enough to get the $99 pair from Sears.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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